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What didn't make the story...

By Andrew Pollack on 01/06/2004 at 05:36 PM EST

Well, I got quoted today in CRN about Websphere & Brightline:

A few things didn't quite make the article though, that I figured it might be a good idea to post here.

(a) Maybe most important - the article has me talking about Hundreds of thousands of dollars for websphere, which is close, but to me that doesn't mean its all license costs of course. I think a great deal of the cost of Websphere is in skills, hardware, and other related software (like DB2 & Tivoli) that you usually end up needing. Still, its definately true that Brightline makes a very strong case in being a much lower cost solution. For many of us to get started, I think its cheaper to go Brightline than to use the free Websphere Express that comes with Domino -- it depends on your skills.

(b) I still believe the decision to pull Garnet was the right one, and while I agree that Lotus should have come up with an easyier way to integrate with J2EE by now, I don't believe Garnet was the right way to go. I wish they'd discovered that sooner, but hey...

(c) I say the biggest reason we've seen the turnaround at IBM over the last six months, is Ambuj Goyal. I'm quite certain he was brought in to hack the product to pieces that could be swallowed by the other groups; and equally sure that once he got to know the product he discovered that it had too much value for that fate, and replacing it was not the easy task some at IBM thought. The clincher was that he's one of the few people that Steve Mills seems to listen to. So, for having an open mind, the nature and skills to recognise when it needed changing, the cajones to make that change, and the credibility and skills to make that change stick all the way upstream at Aramonk --- hats off to Ambuj. I hope he gets the standing O at LotusSphere.


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Thanks for posting clarificationsBy Ben Langhinrichs on 06/23/2004 at 11:21 AM EDT
I am glad Brightline is getting the attention, and that you are as well.
cool articleBy jonvon on 06/23/2004 at 11:21 AM EDT
brightline looks more and more interesting... hey andrew, i haven't read all the white papers and stuff. are they talking about a notes 8 version as we know it? like with lotusscript and all? everything i've seen so far seems to suggest eclipse for version 8, and a non-committal about the client that we all know. just wondering, i haven't had time to read all the info and white papers and stuff...
That's a good question...By Andrew Pollack on 06/23/2004 at 11:21 AM EDT
First, understand we're a long way off from version 8. Andrew's first rule of big ideas, says that the end result is likely to look much more like the present day stuff than like the grand vision presented. From what I can tell, version 7 will largely focus on really integrating the Notes Client and the Domino Server with DB2. Version 8 is targeted much more at the U.I. Clearly the plan calls for portal support, whatever that ends up meaning. IMO, it means they'll try to make Portlets run within the client, as nateively as possible. There will likely be at least some Eclipse code as part of that. How much of the existing win/32 dll based client will still exist is a matter for debate even within IBM to be sure. When you make your own opinion, consider the 100 million desktops out there, then see Andrew's first rule of big ideas.
By jonvon on 06/23/2004 at 11:21 AM EDT
your answer, esp along the lines of portal support, makes quite a bit of sense actually. i asked someone from ibm if there was going to be an 8 client (non-eclispe) and the response was, well you will be able to "surface" (i think was the term) any domino application through a portlet. or something like that. i was really just trying to get my head around, "when are we going to be doing j2ee development all the time" and leaving the old stuff behind. 2 years? 5 years? 10 years? but no straight answer. i guess its safe to say, no one really knows. *shrug*

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